Another Garamond?

Thanks for the reminder. In Roma, when I have offered in same time the Peignot prize book with my Sabon Next specimen, he looked at me and answered: “why redesigning again a new Garamond?”, looklike (what I understood), it is really became boring to see all these new Garamond competitors!

note to stephen: There is some reproductions of this new version, announced as a MM Adobe Garamond, in 1994 ATypI conference, in a A4 size after conference leaflet.

The year 1994 might be more an indication of a GX version rather than an MM version? Adobe had been working on a number of GX fonts in the early 90s. None, to my knowledge, were ever released.

I don't think Robert was working toward either MM or GX in 1994. When Adobe Garamond was first released, a review in the journal of the American Printing Historical Society took issue with the its 'one-size-fits-all' approach and reproduced, for comparison, detailed enlargements of the different sizes of Garamond's types. I suspect Robert began drawing his new Garamond in response to that criticism. I'm not sure if he has used interpolation at all: my understanding from what I remember of his talk in SF all those years ago is that each size is individually designed.

John, which issue of APHA?

hhp

Hrant

There is an index to PH at apha.com

The review of Adobe Garamond is in Whole Number 26-27 (Volume 13, No. 2 and Volume 14 no. 1) 1991-1992.

Cool, got it!

hhp

A typeface to compliment Minion

I'm currently working on the new text-templates for Norways largest publisher of academic books. I've been looking for a suitable Sans to compliment Minion, which I'm using for the main portion of the text. I've been working with the project for a while, and I'm currently using Scala Sans, but I've realized that it doesn't fulfill the needs of the project. The main drawback is that it lacks semi-bold. The main reason why this is not enough is that the templates include some 60 styles. I'm not a big fan of using black or bold text faces in a book.
So, I started searching for a new face that could fulfill my needs, and finally ended up with DTL's Caspari. It has all the elements I'm looking for. It has a nice italic, and the caps are beautifully simple.
I wandered about in happiness whithout any worries until the other day, when I received a very unpleasant mail from my employer. In large pixelated Verdana I was told that they under no circumstances were willing to pay €1327.50 for a single user license. It is indeed a beutiful typeface, but to be honest, I agreed with my employer on this issue.

To the point. I'm still looking for this suitable typeface, and I wondered if there's anyone willing to help me out with some suggestions. I've been through several typebooks, and rejected most of the faces, because they often lack semibold/medium or caps (exept Caspari, but that was another issue $$$).
I do suspect that there are quite a few new typefaces that I've overlooked, so If there's anbody out there with suggestions, please help!

Rune,
the "obvious" complement to Myriad is Minion, also by Mr Slimbach, and also originally designed as a Multiple Master typeface. There are a great number of weights and widths in the font, and it works very nicely with Minion.

Indeed, Caspari, and all of DTL's typefaces are exquisite, but rather pricy. (I know this from experience, having paid over a thousand dollars for Fleischmann in 1995...)

While this is not the place to blow one's own horn, here goes: ApexSans from Thirstype is a contemporary sans with a modest x-height that matches well with classical serif fonts, and does pretty well as a text face in its own right. It comes in 6 weights of roman, italic, small caps and italic small caps. _ http://www.thirstype.com/font_apexsans.html

Other contemporary sans faces woth looking at:
Luc[as] de Groot's Thesis and Taz. _ http://www.lucasfonts.com/
Tobias Frere-Jones' Gotham _ http://www.typography.com/catalog/gotham/index.html
Jeremy Tankard's Bliss _ http://www.typography.net/type/bliss.htm
Jean François Porchez's Parisine _ http://www.typofonderie.com/Alphabets/Parisine.asp

There are others, of course...

I hope this helps,
c

Duh...
>the ?obvious? complement to Myriad is Minion...

What I meant was, of course;
the ?obvious? complement to Minion is Myriad...

.backwards was I
c

Have you looked at the Mundo Sans family that my company (Agfa Monotype) has released? Search for it at www.fonts.com. There are 7 weights, from Extra Light to Ultra. The Medium weight might work as your semibold.

Quick note: Myriad was co-designed with Twombly (which is why it has trapping, btw).

hhp

Mr Allen, from what I can tell, Mundo does seem quite nice, a full-bodied sans in the tradition of Edward Johnson and Eric Gill. I wish there was a way that I could see the font larger than the one size on fonts.com. Was the typeface designed by anyone? I couldn't find that information either.

It is a bit on the costly side, although nowhere near as much as Caspari. And it seems to be lacking small caps, which Mr Døli was looking for.

Hrant, I had fogotten that Ms Twombly collaborated with Mr Slimbach on Myriad. I apologise for my oversight.

best,
c

you could also look at Mike Abbink's FF Kievit. it has a whole lot of weights, with italics, SC, and italic SC for all of them. it's vaguely humanist (although not as humanist as Caspari) and pleasantly bland.

Kievit is a very interesting font. Of all the stuff out there, it's the one I'd single out as being totally "generic" (even though that shifts over time). In comparison, Univers is about as bland as Barbarella.

hhp

Indeed, Kievit is very nice. I haven't seen it used that much. If it all. This situation should be put to rights. (I read a lot of Norwegian academic books, you see...)

Best,
c

Thanks for all the useful info. I'm fully aware of Myriads qualities, but for the time being I'm looking for a typeface ... well, a little less used!
Kievit is extremely interesting, and I'm close to saying 'we have a winner', but I still haven't had the opportunity to try Bliss, which I somehow overlooked. I have to say that Bliss' caps are a bit more to my liking than Kievits. But then again Bliss lacks a cusive a, which is slightly irritating. I'm more dependant on the caps than on the italic, so I still have a major decision to make!
Anyway, thanks to you all, I'll be back in a few days to post my final desicion. Mabe it will interest you into reading some Norwegian academic books ...

Regards,
Rune

By the way!
Any ideas on how DTL can operate with such rediculously high prices?

And ... to Chester. I checked out Apex, and I like it alot. Not exactly what I was looking for, but I see a potential comercial inheritant to 'Din'. It's about time. Congratulation.

R

By the way!
Any ideas on how DTL can operate with such rediculously high prices?

And ... to Chester. I checked out Apex, and I like it alot. Not exactly what I was looking for, but I see a potential comercial inheritant to 'Din'. It's about time. Congratulation.

R

Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:54 am:   
So much for Apple pretending to be graphically sophisticated all these years. ITC Garamond Obese Squished my bunghole. Not to mention Myriad.

hhp

I did write that on Typophile recently, but I didn't make the above post.

hhp