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Arial, Helvetica, Recta

Derren Wilson’s I live on your visits is a very attractive blog sporting Univers 45 and Unibody. Take the Is it Helvetica or Arial? quiz. I expect our readers at the Typographica Academy to score well — we’ve covered and linked to coverage on this topic before. Also, check out a preview of his Recta, a revival of a Novarese sans.

Posted by Typographica | January 26, 2003 | LINK

Comments

7:10

Heinrich Lischka | Jan 27, 2003 08:18 AM

I got 9 out of 10! Woohoo!

Gary | Jan 27, 2003 08:28 AM

Fuck me, but I only got a 7, too. I want higher-resolution previews next time.

Joe Clark | Jan 27, 2003 08:58 AM

I snagged a 9 as well. The WINDOWS one got me.

jeff white | Jan 27, 2003 09:13 AM

the windows threw me off as well. I diliberate attempt, I think! :)

I love the "go delete comic sans off your machine" at the end of the quiz. Haha this is sure to stir up a discussion of previous proportions. :)

hildebrant.

hildebrant | Jan 27, 2003 10:17 AM

BTW, MS didn't make Arial: they got it from Monotype.

hhp

Hrant | Jan 27, 2003 10:57 AM

I got a 9 as well. Those uppercase examples were tough. (I really deserve an 8 since I guessed on both of those.) What I’d really like to see is a side-by-side comparison of all the examples set in both faces once the quiz is done.

Colin | Jan 27, 2003 12:32 PM

Eight for me. I thought "WINDOWS" was fairly easy (the S's terminals weren't horizontal). I got tripped up by "rip-off", due to my own stupidity, and I'm still trying to figure out "APPLE". What's the give-away there?
Arial
Helvetica

Dave | Jan 27, 2003 02:48 PM

Wow, you guys are really good at this.
So maybe Arial is not a Helvomita "clone" after all?

hhp

Hrant | Jan 27, 2003 02:50 PM

Yeah, that APPLE comparison is quite tough. Seems that Arial has a little wider stance, like seen in the uc A glyph. But would be quite hard to notice in those low res .gifs in the quiz :)

hildebrant.

hildebrant | Jan 27, 2003 03:20 PM

hrant:

But MS revised it, correct? especially for screen, i.e. hinting and such.

hildebrant.

hildebrant | Jan 27, 2003 03:22 PM

I thought I would have aced it, but I only (!) got eight right. The WINDOWS one got me too. I couldn't tell if the end of the strokes on the S were straight or not at that resolution.

Nice idea, though, and nicely implemented. Wish I'd thought of it.

Mark Simonson | Jan 27, 2003 03:38 PM

I dunno, Monotype does a lot of hinting too.

hhp

Hrant | Jan 27, 2003 03:43 PM

It seems I heard some ridiculous story of how MS spent insane amounts of time hinting and testing arial. Its quite possible that is was commissioned by monotype.


hildebrant.

hildebrant | Jan 28, 2003 07:51 AM

I would like to know if he manages to commercialize Recta, for two reasons.

1) A guy you and I know and admire is working on Recta. Full family, I think, and this brings conflict.

2) I would really appreciate a research for having Novarese family's permission in case of release (I could help on this, if needed).

Claudio Piccinini | Jan 28, 2003 10:35 AM

P.S. The guy is not me. I'm just interested in Semplicità, Nova Augustea and Cairoli, in the future, as far as Nebiolo is the issue.

Claudio Piccinini | Jan 28, 2003 10:36 AM

In 'APPLE' maybe it's the ink-trap (at least it looks like an ink-trap at MyFonts) in Arial. My eyes must be playing tricks on me though, because that must be impossible to see in those .gifs. Anyway. It is a great idea.

nm

MATTESON | Jan 28, 2003 12:50 PM

> that must be impossible to see

No, it's not impossible.
Even Syntax's 1/2-degree slant can be detected in grayscale, even at something like 12 PPEM.

hhp

Hrant | Jan 28, 2003 01:47 PM

9 out of 10

Michiel Ebberink | Jan 31, 2003 10:08 AM

The Frutiger is apparently with me nine times out of ten. WINDOWS tripped me up as well. Freakin' Bill Gates trips me up all the time with that blasted product.

Cheshire | Jan 31, 2003 11:06 PM

I've decided to laugh uproariously about the pathetic 5/10 I scored. Considering how much time I spent drawing new glyphs for Helvetica over the past two years, you would think I'd know it by now!

I blame my beautiful 133 dpi monitor, which made all the samples considerably smaller than they probably are for most people.

John Hudson | Jan 31, 2003 11:53 PM


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