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	<title>Comments on: Chank&#8217;s Twigs and Berries</title>
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		<title>By: Rolf</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34372</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that you simply can&#039;t bash too hard on free content on the web. So if some images are not crispy sharp, too bad.. (I&#039;d rather see them 300dpi crispy clear of course too), but I still like it.

Where can I sign up?

Have a good weekend y&#039;all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that you simply can&#8217;t bash too hard on free content on the web. So if some images are not crispy sharp, too bad.. (I&#8217;d rather see them 300dpi crispy clear of course too), but I still like it.</p>
<p>Where can I sign up?</p>
<p>Have a good weekend y&#8217;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Su</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34371</link>
		<dc:creator>Su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 05:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;leave it to Americans to have the luxury to not HAVE to worry about what&#039;s going on in the world.&lt;/em&gt;

Come off it, already.
I&#039;d take the time here to point out that you &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; fail to address anyone&#039;s objections to your arguments, but you&#039;re leaving anyway. Don&#039;t let the door hit you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>leave it to Americans to have the luxury to not HAVE to worry about what&#8217;s going on in the world.</em></p>
<p>Come off it, already.<br />
I&#8217;d take the time here to point out that you <em>still</em> fail to address anyone&#8217;s objections to your arguments, but you&#8217;re leaving anyway. Don&#8217;t let the door hit you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34370</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MGee, I read your post several times and gave it a thoughtful and honest response.

However, I committed an egregious typo on your name in attempting to speak directly to you. I humbly apologize for that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MGee, I read your post several times and gave it a thoughtful and honest response.</p>
<p>However, I committed an egregious typo on your name in attempting to speak directly to you. I humbly apologize for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Simonson</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34369</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Simonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the page on Chank&#039;s site might lead those who don&#039;t know about AIGA/Minnesota&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aigaminn.org/chapterinfo/chapterevents.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Design Camp&lt;/a&gt; to think that Chank&#039;s workshop &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; Design Camp. It wasn&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the page on Chank&#8217;s site might lead those who don&#8217;t know about AIGA/Minnesota&#8217;s <a href="http://www.aigaminn.org/chapterinfo/chapterevents.asp" rel="nofollow">Design Camp</a> to think that Chank&#8217;s workshop <i>was</i> Design Camp. It wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: mGee</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34368</link>
		<dc:creator>mGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On the other hand, all I see is that they went there to have a good time, not worry over the &quot;issues of the world.&quot;

All I&#039;ll say is...leave it to Americans to have the luxury to not HAVE to worry about what&#039;s going on in the world.

I never said typography isn&#039;t design...but  to label this &quot;Design Camp&quot; is still a bit of an exagoration.

I still say that the experiment didn&#039;t go far enough and was simply promotional.

Kristin... read. It&#039;s not McGee.

Keep on patting each other on the back.

I&#039;m out

Peace


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the other hand, all I see is that they went there to have a good time, not worry over the &#8220;issues of the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>All I&#8217;ll say is&#8230;leave it to Americans to have the luxury to not HAVE to worry about what&#8217;s going on in the world.</p>
<p>I never said typography isn&#8217;t design&#8230;but  to label this &#8220;Design Camp&#8221; is still a bit of an exagoration.</p>
<p>I still say that the experiment didn&#8217;t go far enough and was simply promotional.</p>
<p>Kristin&#8230; read. It&#8217;s not McGee.</p>
<p>Keep on patting each other on the back.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m out</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Hrant</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34367</link>
		<dc:creator>Hrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; the real shame is the transformation from beautifully textured color originals to plain black and white outlines.

Indeed - it almost ruins the whole thing. They should have used Photofonts. Or just left them as a collection of images, for use as initial caps for example.

hhp

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> the real shame is the transformation from beautifully textured color originals to plain black and white outlines.</p>
<p>Indeed &#8211; it almost ruins the whole thing. They should have used Photofonts. Or just left them as a collection of images, for use as initial caps for example.</p>
<p>hhp</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34366</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add another vote for the value of play!

McGee, my reaction to the page was to think what a great learning experience the event might have been. It breaks the usual boundary of design teaching that has a student anchored to the computer and it connects the work of design quite literally to the immediate environment and community.

Whether what actually occurred matches your fantasy or mine is something we&#039;d have to find out from the participants.

For me, the real shame is the transformation from beautifully textured color originals to plain black and white outlines. It seems to me that Thirstype&#039;s Twiggy font had the end product of a font at the forefront when making design decisions, while the Design Camp fonts look as if the font is only a shadow of the design goal.

Of course, that could just be another fantasy of mine. ;)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add another vote for the value of play!</p>
<p>McGee, my reaction to the page was to think what a great learning experience the event might have been. It breaks the usual boundary of design teaching that has a student anchored to the computer and it connects the work of design quite literally to the immediate environment and community.</p>
<p>Whether what actually occurred matches your fantasy or mine is something we&#8217;d have to find out from the participants.</p>
<p>For me, the real shame is the transformation from beautifully textured color originals to plain black and white outlines. It seems to me that Thirstype&#8217;s Twiggy font had the end product of a font at the forefront when making design decisions, while the Design Camp fonts look as if the font is only a shadow of the design goal.</p>
<p>Of course, that could just be another fantasy of mine. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Hrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think observing and manipulating natural objects can provide great insight into letterforms.

And playing is good for you.

hhp

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think observing and manipulating natural objects can provide great insight into letterforms.</p>
<p>And playing is good for you.</p>
<p>hhp</p>
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		<title>By: Su</title>
		<link>http://typographica.org/2004/on-typography/chanks-twigs-and-berries/#comment-34364</link>
		<dc:creator>Su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, then. Please enlighten us as to &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; no design took place, rather than claiming it didn&#039;t from some personal opinion that I at least am obviously not inferring.

As for naming the thing typography camp or whatever, the AIGA is a design association. Fonts are designed. Design Camp is a regular event, and its name is generic enough to allow it to be about any design-related activity, which is rather convenient if you&#039;re going to do it 20+ times. It happened to be typography this time. Why should that require a name change?

If we can&#039;t claim that suggesting the purpose of the event was nothing other than to promote Chank and give him hits(like he needs them) isn&#039;t hostile, then let&#039;s just call bullshit on your ad hominem.
The page linked to offers the fonts, and basically says they were there to have some fun. You have no idea what else happened at the event, where they very well may have discussed what could be done with the type and its global ramifications(because the world&#039;s going crazy and all that). On the other hand, all I see is that they went there to have a good time, not worry over the &quot;issues of the world.&quot; See a pattern? It&#039;s not suggested anywhere that this was something profound and thoughtful. It&#039;s camp. It&#039;s nice to take a break occasionally. It&#039;s a single page, not a mini-site.

Incidentally, if you claim someone isn&#039;t responding to what you wrote, then try and avoid said behavior yourself. Please look up and note that I didn&#039;t tell you &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; to quibble over words, I asked why you didn&#039;t complete the exercise .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, then. Please enlighten us as to <em>why</em> no design took place, rather than claiming it didn&#8217;t from some personal opinion that I at least am obviously not inferring.</p>
<p>As for naming the thing typography camp or whatever, the AIGA is a design association. Fonts are designed. Design Camp is a regular event, and its name is generic enough to allow it to be about any design-related activity, which is rather convenient if you&#8217;re going to do it 20+ times. It happened to be typography this time. Why should that require a name change?</p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t claim that suggesting the purpose of the event was nothing other than to promote Chank and give him hits(like he needs them) isn&#8217;t hostile, then let&#8217;s just call bullshit on your ad hominem.<br />
The page linked to offers the fonts, and basically says they were there to have some fun. You have no idea what else happened at the event, where they very well may have discussed what could be done with the type and its global ramifications(because the world&#8217;s going crazy and all that). On the other hand, all I see is that they went there to have a good time, not worry over the &#8220;issues of the world.&#8221; See a pattern? It&#8217;s not suggested anywhere that this was something profound and thoughtful. It&#8217;s camp. It&#8217;s nice to take a break occasionally. It&#8217;s a single page, not a mini-site.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you claim someone isn&#8217;t responding to what you wrote, then try and avoid said behavior yourself. Please look up and note that I didn&#8217;t tell you <em>not</em> to quibble over words, I asked why you didn&#8217;t complete the exercise .</p>
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		<title>By: mGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wasn&#039;t a tirade... just a differing opinion from the usual kiss ass responses.
I wasn&#039;t hostile with my post.... I was pointing out things that others may not have questioned.

I&#039;m very sure that I could have easily said... &quot;oh how terrific&quot;...blah blah blah... but I aired my honest opinion.

When responding to something I post, at least RESPOND to what I wrote... don&#039;t try and make me out to be some angry person who&#039;s opinion doesn&#039;t count.

As for
&quot; If you&#039;re quibbling over words, then why didn&#039;t you continue on to camp? &quot;

I believe typographers quibble over type... I would assume words are also worth quibbling about to typographers.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wasn&#8217;t a tirade&#8230; just a differing opinion from the usual kiss ass responses.<br />
I wasn&#8217;t hostile with my post&#8230;. I was pointing out things that others may not have questioned.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sure that I could have easily said&#8230; &#8220;oh how terrific&#8221;&#8230;blah blah blah&#8230; but I aired my honest opinion.</p>
<p>When responding to something I post, at least RESPOND to what I wrote&#8230; don&#8217;t try and make me out to be some angry person who&#8217;s opinion doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>As for<br />
&#8221; If you&#8217;re quibbling over words, then why didn&#8217;t you continue on to camp? &#8221;</p>
<p>I believe typographers quibble over type&#8230; I would assume words are also worth quibbling about to typographers.</p>
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