CG: Look, I really believe that design — especially typographic page design — is about the details. And you have to play, to a degree, in order to arrive at details. If I set the whole page, centered and in one size and weight… then what? I’d be doing some cheap Microsoft Word document. You know? It’s so static. Kind of like Tschichold.

SU: Right. From his Penguin days.

CG: Whatever. I can never keep track of that man.

See also: Tschichold : Penguins : School Lunch